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chickaboom

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #210 on: January 04, 2016, 10:40:48 PM »

Sorry, my OH didnt work for
The same co,
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #211 on: January 04, 2016, 11:11:01 PM »

but if they get 0.001% you could spread that around 100 employees with out difficulty

but if a free lunch every day and about $100 a week in other benefits doesn't cut it, then is .001% a big enough incentive? I mean that's the point, isn't it? I think Kim saidd that people were only interested in big $$$.

I woulda thought that about $5K of benefits a year was pretty good, I'd be stoked if someone gave me that on top of my earnings but, it seems not.

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #212 on: January 05, 2016, 12:20:56 AM »



What percentage should a business owner keep? well that would vary depending on how much money was being made by the business. A reasonable living wage is all that is needed for both the employer and the employee.

Define reasonable. More importantly, who gets to define what reasonable is? Is what is reasonable for one person reasonable for another? Should a person who has 5 children to support be paid more than a single person with no obligations? (for doing the same work?) If a person has a child or other dependent with a disability, should they receive more than a person without those added expenses? And if the business is not generating enough to cover what is reasonable for himself, should his employees' pay reduce proportionately?

Now, I'll ask you a question or two.

Does your business own a motor vehicle? No, we lease them. and what is it? toyota hi ace vans. and do you claim a business use tax deduction for it, of course while using it (maybe only occasionally for person, private business?) I am positive that the employees use them for personal use. Doing an errand of a personal nature on the way back from a delivery and stuff like that

I have seen motor vehicles on the road bearing a business logo and they are often luxury cars, way over the top of what would be required as a business vehicle. why is this so?

Why are some people satisfied with budget business cards and stationery whilst others have to have the ducks nuts in quality? I mean, a business card is a business card, isn't it? a letter a letter? They all do the same thing, don't they?

I know of people who run a dingy second-hand shop at almost a loss, but who run a rather expensive tax-deductible business vehicle and who regularly take tax-deductible trips overseas to exotic locations, maybe buying only one or two small items for their shop, but in so doing, qualifying their journey as a business trip.

ah, so only buying one or two items? perhaps they are sourcing suppliers for future purchasing, setting up contacts and contracts for future trade, market research

Why should a real estate agent need to drive a Lexus, using it for weekend personal fun and offsetting it's cost to the govt (which is, in fact, the average working taxpayer)? I know right? Who in their right mind would drive a lexus????

It's a rip off and private business does this all the time, may they rot in hell with their bad conscience as their only company.

I can give just as many examples (and probably more) of how employees do the same from govt and private business, should they too rot in hell?
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #213 on: January 05, 2016, 03:21:39 AM »

It is not reasonable for an employer to derive excessive profits on the backs those employed. Look at, say, the Commonwealth bank which publishes profits in the billions and pays their workers (those they haven't sacked downsized) a relative pittance.


So, you lease your vehicles, you don't even buy them. How much more of a tax write-off can you claim under this arrangement?

Any expense, even a business card, seems to be a source of rort; some way of gaining a public subsidy for what should be a private expense.

Yes, only buying one or two items, in order to make their overseas trip qualify as a business expense and in no way sourcing a future overseas supply trade. The arrangement is purely so they can go on holidays to exotic places, subsidised by the govt, who of course, uses our taxes for this subsidy.

For god's sake, what does a private company need with a top of the range luxury car as a business vehicle? If you think Lexus is low class, then how about the AMG Merc driven by the real estate agent my parents recently dealt with?

It's not enough to quote examples of how others rort the system and use it to justify the process of rorting.

There is a systems failure and it needs to be fixed. The alternative is more of the same abject poverty co-existing with an obscene amount of private wealth.

This is the system which oversees the clear-felling and burning of rain forests on a global climate altering scale. The system which rapes the landscape and poisons and pollutes it and kills the animals which lived there. and so many other horros.

and it all starts with a little private entrepreneur striving to make a quick dollar and then expanding their business to make another, and another and then a few dollars more, because they are never satisfied that they already live well. They don't care that their success depends upon the misery of others.


I don't propose to post again on this subject on this thread.


Just bear in mind that we live on a planet which has finite resources. The model of continued expansion of the economy is therefore not sustainable in the long term.

We are beginning to see the result of the private enterprise system; gated, wealthy communities employing security guards to keep the hordes of the exploited poor from even looking longingly over their fence.

This cannot continue indefinitely. enough now.




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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #214 on: January 05, 2016, 04:34:45 AM »

You can't even define what is reasonable or answer any of the questions that I posed relating to reasonableness when it is you who wants reasonable to be set as a benchmark.

You do realize that when CBA reports their profits that there is no Mr Commonwealth who gets to keep that, don't you? I mean, there are people such as shareholders who have to be paid from that.

And umm, well Ian Narev, a Commonwealth bank EMPLOYEE was paid a base rate of $2.57 MILLION dollars, but with all the extras got over $8 MILLION - you know - an EMPLOYEE, but I spose that is ok by you cos he's just an employee right? Not a nasty business owner. How does that sit on your "reasonable scale"? (geez, sounds like a pittance to me)

Oh look! 12 EMPLOYEES sharing in $50 MILLION dollars... Reasonable? And apparently, the other banks pay higher salaries! I wonder how many of those redistributed their earnings to other employees? But then, they shouldn't have to, right? I mean they're just lowly employees, aren't they?

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/12-commonwealth-bank-executives-shared-50-million-in-pay-last-year-2014-8

Now just between you an me, Lights, these rich folk, they're not building fences to keep the poor people from peeking over, they're building them to keep the crazies out...

BTW, I am not justifying anything, merely pointing out to you that even though you want to blame the employers for being the low life scum bag rorters and exploiters, the same traits are as equally pervasive among the employees

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #215 on: January 05, 2016, 06:20:00 AM »


Just bear in mind that we live on a planet which has finite resources. The model of continued expansion of the economy is therefore not sustainable in the long term.

We are beginning to see the result of the private enterprise system; gated, wealthy communities employing security guards to keep the hordes of the exploited poor from even looking longingly over their fence.

This cannot continue indefinitely. enough now.

You wanna heap hate and scorn on someone for raping and pillaging the earth and don't have any vikings? Well how about you direct some of it towards the consumers who buy and use the things that the business owners produce. The greedy beings who aren't satisfied with one TV in their house or a phone that isn't attached to the wall or a take away coffee, or are too lazy to cook their own meals or just have to have a gym membership and a $200 pair of sports shoes. Try hating on those people for a while, Rocks. They're the ones creating the demands, if they didn't demand this stuff, then no one would make it to supply and business owners would have no reason to be in existence. And maybe if a few of these greedy exploitive consumers could do without some of these things our earth may be a bit more sustainable

but be careful what you wish for Rocks, cos with no one wanting to be a business owner and supplier of goods and services, then there will be no jobs for anyone, even those who want to be employees. Cos there will always be people who want to be or are capable of being an employee, but the pool of those who are able to be employers is marginally smaller - so yeah, it is because there are people who are employers that anybody has a job in the first place.

It's true, without someone to employ, there can be no employers (except for single self employed entities), but there will always be people wanting to be employees so employers are inevitable and if you want to make it so that the "gamble" of being an employer is not worth the effort, then guess what... no jobs for anyone

and the reason why jobs are "priced" as they are? It's because of that very reason, and the basic principles of supply and demand.

so how about laying the blame at the feet of those who really are at fault here, Rocks? You know, those who create the demand whether that be through their wants and needs or their skill and ability levels.

When demand decreases, so to will supply. when supply exceeds demand, prices are low accordingly and that principle applies to whether it is purchasing goods and services or buying and selling labour.

so yeah, lets make being an employer an unattractive commodity in Australia so that those who do create the jobs that so many want, take their bats and balls and go to other countries leaving us with nothing.

and remember also rocks, that if no one's working, then no one's paying tax, so no welfare, no govt resources for expenditure on roads, health, eduation etc (or fireys and ambios and police) - nuffin - zilch - you ever heard of The Great Depression? The one from the 1930's? That's what happens when there is no one providing jobs for employees...
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #216 on: January 05, 2016, 09:34:44 AM »

Cheers, I am appalled the you are called these vicious names and told to rot in hell. What is wrong with rocks? oh I know she's a new populist socialist who spout garbage all the while living off the sweat of others.

The mindless and usually vicious stupidity of the left has been displayed by rocks and she can't back up her accusations so she calls on the Green mantra of finite resources all the while living the comfortable life it provides.
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #217 on: January 05, 2016, 09:55:32 AM »

Reading through this conversation reminded
Me of the old feudal system
That was in effect in medieval times.
Where lords of the manor were in control.
But the one major difference between now and then,
Was the little people were guaranteed a roof
Over their heads and food on the table.

I don't see hatred or scorn in anything
Rocks has said, he is trying to make it evident to
You the imbalance that wealth of a few has created
In todays society.  You may not be privy to the other end of the
Social scale or you might see his point of view.
And I doubt he was initially referring to you personally
Although you have made it that way.
For you to say that the consumer has enabled the wealth
Of a minority is wrong.
Many people aspire to be nurses, ambos and firies and for you
To suggest they quit their jobs to mow lawns is insulting to say the least.
Our society has been structured with these important elements included for the comfort and benefit of all, not just the wealthy who has less of a need .
Not all employer have your attitude towards their employees.
I don't begrudge anyone who wants to get out there and give it a go,
But as someone previously remarked there are less than 25% of small businesses that survive the first 12mths.
You are one of the lucky ones.
And luck is a factor although you certainly wouldnt agree with that.
Many factors are all required to work in unison to get a successful business off
The ground and one of them is loyal honest and trustworthy employees that feel they are appreciated and not just a number on an inventory


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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #218 on: January 05, 2016, 10:22:10 AM »

I agree, nothing wrong with rock's  posts. They are well written, balanced, on topic and he doesn't denigrate into accusations, name calling etc.

I may not agree with his posts on all topics but I read them and think about what he has written.
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chickaboom

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #219 on: January 05, 2016, 10:29:23 AM »

I would go so far to add that of all the mumbo
Jumbo that floats around on forums Rocks is
The one solid stoic unwavering informative and
Compationate poster that stands out and there
Are never anomalies in his opinion
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chickaboom

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« Reply #220 on: January 05, 2016, 10:33:31 AM »

Meaning that he is speaking from the heart
And is always speaking the truth.
But then again his truth is not everyones truth
And what is the truth is only what you believe.
And thats where a lot of people come to grief.
And in this instance I am not refering to rocks
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #221 on: January 05, 2016, 10:33:38 AM »

Yes, and I hope he continues to post here.
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chickaboom

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #222 on: January 05, 2016, 10:35:01 AM »

Kim, you are definitely not mouse lol
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #223 on: January 05, 2016, 10:46:53 AM »

Thanks for your post oppy and I respect your opinion. What I don't respect is the insults he aimed at Cheers to put his point across.

I'm sure that you all know that Australia is carried by the snall business industry and they are not all sending their kids to private schools and going to bed at night counting their money whilst on their way to hell.
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #224 on: January 05, 2016, 10:59:42 AM »

Yes thats true lights but considering the way
He usually conducts himself I'm sure you could
Spare him a small indiscretion. And perhaps allow
An argument to pan itself out without taking sides,
As you might say I have done.But I am just pointing
Out the worth of a good and valuable poster, not in
Opposition to another, but as an observation
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