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lightningdance

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2015, 09:22:34 AM »

Rocks you must try to wean yourself off the old comrade mindset and stop calling people selfish and thoughtless if they are not left. It's insulting and uncalled for.

It's the old leftist mantra, to demonize anybody who is not labor.

I could very well say you vote labor till your 40 and grow a brain up and then you vote liberal.
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2015, 11:18:50 AM »

Rocks, Socialism in any of its various forms just does not work.
Through out history and I don't just mean recent history but back as far as Neanderthal Man and probably before Man, there was the instinct of survival of the fittest. You see it in animals as well. Without this instinct we would still be amoeba wallowing in the primordial slime.
It is this instinct that drives us to strive  to improve our lives and make things easier.
Socialism in all its forms tries to stifle that instinct in the masses and attempts to homogenise everyone into a coffee coloured, featureless mass without texture. Yet those who drive socialism want to be set aside from the masses and rise to the top as the upper echelon who control the masses. There you can see the instinct at work.
Suppressing the survival instinct, which has been instilled in all beings since time immemorial can not be done. Throughout history altruistic socialism has failed.
Even on a much smaller scale like just two people, there is always the struggle for supremacy.
Without the survival instinct  there would be no striving to achieve and we might as well just head back to the primordial slime.
The problem is that there can never be situation where everyone puts in as much effort as everyone else, the majority feel that they should be catered for just for being alive
 
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Frownland

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2015, 11:39:36 AM »

  Our political system is by nature socialist . our education system and health system owe their existence to socialist ideals . the Australian notion of a ''fair go'' is without question a socialist viewpoint. our hard-earned industrial relations system is a socialist institution.
The nature of western capitalism contains socialist elements especially when required as fixes .. the bailouts of US companies during the GFC where the state injected funds to save private companies from extinction and thereby saving 100's of thousands of jobs is a socialist initiative (and a very successful one) .western civilisation without socialism would leave us with an unthinkable fascist system that would invariably collapse. We wouldn't be a country of any note without these ideals .
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2015, 11:46:06 AM »

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Frownland

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2015, 11:53:41 AM »

Liberal ideology in Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_Australia

 Lie no 1.  use the word "liberal'' as a party name  :) liberals are socialists and free-thinkers not tea-party loonies.
 the liberal party dries here are more conservative than anything else . it's much like newsltd spouting ''fair and unbiased''  it simply isn't true.  :)
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Kim

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2015, 02:50:36 PM »

Ye are ye. and We are we. and never the twain shall meet, politically speaking.

Although it's not really a case of "shall"; it's more a matter of will.

When the right wing of the political spectrum begins to develop a social conscience and starts to consider the social good ahead of their selfish desire for personal financial advancement, then there might be a common meeting ground.

I'm an optimist, and it might one day happen. But I'm also a realist and I understand that there is still much work to be done in educating those of the right wing away from their personal selfish desires which have already cost our community so much.

Well said (well written).
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2015, 03:10:02 PM »

Kim, what would you contribute to the social good?
I would like to hear concept of how you would like to see society.
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2015, 04:51:46 PM »

Pass. Will just get the same ole repeated responses/blurb in reply.

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2015, 10:17:08 PM »

Thought so :( Rusted ons seldom care to contribute either way, they just regurgitate the rote mantra which is without substance. :)
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lightningdance

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2015, 10:44:54 PM »

Too true poddy, they are only comfortable regurgitating the old demonization of people who are aspirational and achievers.
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Frownland

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2015, 12:05:37 AM »

 That isn't true , i have the utmost respect for Mr Brough and Mr Briggs . i'd go as far as to suggest  in Mr Briggs defence that the incident was triggered by a song from the late Tim Buckley . If i remember correctly it's rather suggestive , i think it's called "Hong Kong bar''  :)
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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2015, 12:48:18 AM »

Sorry to disturb you with my "rusted on" "leftist mantra", but for all that, it's the truth.

The rapacious thirst for "success" and for profit is stripping our planet bare of resources and polluting the environment (both yours and mine)

A few millionaires are generated and many more millions of poor, and we are fed a lie by very sophisticated advertisers and spin doctors that this is all ok, and that it's the natural course of things and that we too can participate and become one of the "successful" elite. (actually we can't because those with the real wealth and power aren't going to let it slip away from them in any meaningful measure to the plebs, no matter how hard they work for it)

We have the ability to reflect on our actions and to examine the motivations for such.


We cannot continue to grow our economy indefinitely in an environment of finite resources. This is logic. it's common sense.

It is not profitable (except in the short term, and to a few) to continue to live under the illusion that we can all continue to increase the rate at which we consume.

There's really plenty in the world right now to go around so that no one starves. It's just that our economy is based on making money from starving people (because they will work for lower wages and even the poor must buy at least some things in order to survive)

It's a totally immoral system of economics. It's vicious and it's duplicitous. it's oppressive and it's dangerous.

it is destroying our rain forests and polluting our rivers and our air and killing the wild life . . . and it's all because we tolerate it. because we are fed the myth that free enterprise is the way it ought to be. and we stupidly and selfishly suck it up.


and it doesn't matter if we vote Labor or Liberal because both parties subscribe to this economic nightmare model.

I believe there is no escape now and that we are doomed as a species; it's only a matter of time before our willful stupidity and our willful greed  kills us all off.


A closed system with finite resources cannot support an economic model which depends on ever increasing growth and expansion for its success.

This is logical and mathematically sound. Some people know this and realise it, but some people just don't care if they rape and pillage just so long as they get theirs here and now in their lifetime.

and some other people get sucked in and duped by the myth that one day (soon) they too might become rich and if they do, they'll bury their guilt under a stack of rationalisations; anything to keep them from facing the awful truth of what they have become.












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lightningdance

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2015, 09:23:57 AM »

Rocks I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with it. As for clumping all conservatives into the rapacious and plantet destroying box, well the same could be said for the Socialists, who by the way, have been routed from just about  everywhere in the world and a democratic system of government has replaced it.

We are not mindless minions who go along with the crap that is fed out, we have a mind of our own to make decisions. Unfortunately Socialists don't want the masses to make any decisions about their lives, feed them odoriferous brown stuff that sticks to your shoes and keep them in the dark.

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2015, 11:46:01 AM »

  Our political system is by nature socialist . our education system and health system owe their existence to socialist ideals . the Australian notion of a ''fair go'' is without question a socialist viewpoint. our hard-earned industrial relations system is a socialist institution.
The nature of western capitalism contains socialist elements especially when required as fixes .. the bailouts of US companies during the GFC where the state injected funds to save private companies from extinction and thereby saving 100's of thousands of jobs is a socialist initiative (and a very successful one) .western civilisation without socialism would leave us with an unthinkable fascist system that would invariably collapse. We wouldn't be a country of any note without these ideals .

Did you get that from "The Intervwiew?"  :)
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Frownland

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Re: Women deserting Labor
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2015, 11:54:05 AM »

 no .  can you refute what i wrote ?  :)
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